I don't care.
I quite dislike the direction this is going.
Nothing ever changes, noone ever learns, noone cares.
+With your attitude, I beg you to please go run some other operating system.
+Why haven't you left? Please leave.
+Please leave immediately.
+Get over it.
+Please read the actual code.
+Was that neccessary?
+Handholding can go only so far.
+Please, not again.
+It is in the FAQ.
+Someone is totally full of shit.
+You are quite a character.
+I suspect money which goes into your bank account comes from an entity not quite on the same side as us.
+You have an agenda.
+So easy to be critical.
+Great conversation...
+Who do you work for? Governments?
+Please people, ignore him.
+I love this conversation.
+Amazing.
+Go a few cycles.
+Why?
+No really, precisely why do you trust us?
+What a joke.
+That is quite a fiction.
+Never expect a group to perform a task which an individual won't.
+We never said our code should be trusted.
+Since I value my sanity, I saw that report, and I ignored it.
+The complaint department is down the hall.
+Such strong words.
+It must be easy to sit in your chair and demand that others meet your expectations.
+Didn't you read the manual page?
+I think you are on your own.
+Nope.
+Look there is a disconnect.
+Fundamentally, OpenBSD is a research project.
+Hilarious.
+Your process seems to be "I don't understand the problem, so here is a diff"
+And now let's ask the question which matters.
+Did you think of that?
+You aren't even trying. PLONK.
+Oh just shut up.
+You aren't going to do shit because you don't have any skills.
+Thank you for adding the value of your words.
+This is idle chatter hoping someone supplies some secret sauce that makes a disparate audience with different demands all happy.
+Welcome to the real world.
+Sorry.
+Violates POSIX and C89, which violate best practice in this century.
+Look, this is rather simple.
+Oh really.
+It ends badly.
+I explained that.
+Alas.
+The NTP codebase is larger than the SSH codebase.
+Guess you don't understand internet.
+Can I ask what kind of plant are you?
+And who are you, and what you have you done to test and then prove your thesis?
+I am continually baffled by how often we have to explain this point, over and over and over again.
+Do not submit a new bug report.
+Let me be blunt. Your advice is bad.
+If as a general rule we all want better code running on our systems, where do you fit in?
+Nope!
+Sigh.
+Now you plainly don't sound like a developer type.
+What is your solution?
+You've got access to all this source code.
+If you can't study the world around you, you will remain ignorant.
+Don't worry.
+For contributions to the OpenBSD Project, I make the decision of how to spend it.
+Is that an accusation?
+Look, you'll be fine.
+Don't waste your money on a false ideal by someone who misunderstands modern hardware and the market forces.
+I've think you've had your say.
+You've had your say.
+Do you get it? I doubt it.
+How dreary.
+Anyways, your timing is atrocious!
+Look, stop being a child.
+Such hyperbole! Such drama!
+Reactive is not the same as proactive.
+Please run something else. You'll be happier. Really.
+The problem is you don't pay it backwards. You don't pay it forward. You don't pay at all. You just beg.
+I'll ask in a general fashion: Are you stupid?
+You don't provide any encouragement except for "me me! think of me!".
+You are out of touch.
+OpenBSD is not generally known as an exposed democracy.
+Are you going to do something -- beyond just being sarcastic?
+Highly unlikely.
+Thanks for including all the information in the report.
+Better question is: Why?
+Get back onto your meds.
+What a waste of words.
+Please people stop mailing me privately and asking.
+Wait and see.
+In general, you underestimate the effort involved.
+Well, I don't think the world will fall over as a result.
+NOT....
+I think this entire conversation is ridiculous, right from the start.
+I do not agree with those assessments.
+In that case, what's the fuss?
+Well....
+I disagree on all those points.
+Completely wrong, and I have no no idea where you got that from!
+Read the man page again!
+You are scaring me.
+I believe something is not being understood here.
+I don't normally do this.
+Well sorry.
+I don't see any reason.
+Oh something is broken?
+Please show your work.
+Let's get serious and personal here for a second. In other aspects of life, do you behave the same?
+That is kind of crazy, isn't it.
+That is an incorrect assessment.
+That is only the beginning of it.
+This is more than a meme. It is a plot.
+Boggles the mind.
+Please.
+You know that is bullshit right?
+Please stop subscribing us to your motivations.
+That is false.
+You are speaking in riddles.
+That's nice.
+You are so full of BS!
+You are quite a persistant idiot.
+You don't know jack shit about computers or electronics, that much is obvious.
+Once again you show that you don't know shit.
+You are on your own.
+you have confused yourself.
+Well there is this funny story about when I hacked into RMS's firmware-driven keyboard controller, and managed to grap his root password.
+You've been smoking something really mind altering, and I think you should share it.
+You've seen something on the shelf, and it has all sorts of pretty colurs, and you've bought it.
+Feeling a lot of dejavu here.
+People should be careful what they ask for
+Aww come on, you had us going until then.
+I think I hear of someone doing this about every 10 years.
+I made none of the claims you are composing.
+That makes no sense.
+Cannot.
+Your process here is really strange.
+How bizzare.
+This conversation is going far too meta.
+What's the goal.
+You have a diff?
+What you are trying to do is insane, wrong, and entirely unsupported.
+SERIOUSLY??
+If you turn the forums you frequent into your help desk, you are taking away their ability to focus on delivering you the software you use.
+There are too few of us, we cannot take on every problem.
+Everyone, please ignore these trolls who are cross-posting.
+Essentially, you are on your own. :-)
+I am not so sure.
+obviously.
+I don't know, but I'll think about it later, because I am busy.
+So the original idea wasn't yours. And now you think it can't work. And you are still talking about it. I see. Very interesting.
+That statement is full of potential for misunderstanding, and cannot be left alone.
+I was wrong.
+Thanks.
+Careful there :-)
+That is incorrect advice for the OpenBSD world.
+Your mistake.
+This bug report totally sucks.
+what is "this case"?
+my advice: walk away from this one.
+Generally Unix has no way of doing this.
+So what do you really mean here?
+Is a crash a performance impact?
+what is the goal?
+Your emails only contain opinions.
+words words words words
+Are you done?
+Doesn't that send shivers down your spine?
+Your bug report is too incomplete. Can't help you.
+No.
+We'd rather jump off a cliff.
+Good luck with that.
+Looking forward to you providing code which solves the problem.
+This feature is probably older than you.
+it is behaving *exactly* as intended.
+There are a few compromises.
+I think I know a perfect candidate to take this further: You.
+Seriously?
+The OpenBSD process is quite well understood. Use the best methods, doubt what you do, refractor.
+Hey, it looks like you are just trying to be a dick.
+Does your mother know?
+It's great that you have an opinion.
+Run something else! We don't care!
+That's a load of bull.
+Your opinions count for zero.
+To achieve merit, you must do the homework you assigned yourself.
+Get serious.
+and I wanna build a rocket ship...
+No thanks.
+The problem is obvious.
+If you don't have the skill to do it, well that's too bad...
+You didn't do your homework, and it blew up in your face. Then you wrote a few paragraphs. Then I replied. That is the whole sad story.
+I tried to read the rest of what you wrote. It makes no sense.
+I find this discussion pretty uninteresting.
+I wish more people would find real bugs to fix.
+:-)
+I'm done.
+I don't think you understand what is being done here.
+Funny.
+I don't see that.
+I don't have an answer for you.
+I don't see the purpose of that.
+No.
+Doctor it hurts when I stab myself in the eye.
+I believe you are not trying to contribute anything valuable with your comment.
+are you being trolled now?
+You are not tall enough to ride.
+^^^^^^^
+People who submit reports which are missing information should feel terrible.
+Absolutely no way, that makes no sense.
+Kill it.
+On that matter, I'd say tough.
+It's not black magic.
+Sigh.
+Disagree strongly.
+Don't hold me responsible for the shortcuts.
+And noone cares what you like or dislike.
+There will be little or no thought.
+I am very sceptical.
+A related issue is lots of people don't know anything about anything.
+Look, your statement is false.
+That is the result of a mis-configuration on your part.
+That is not best practice.
+This does not matter.
+It is risk, all gigantic risk.
+Sometimes people put a bad idea into an RFC.
+Why -- to hurt people?
+Oh the situation is much worse than that.
+I disagree.
+The same model is not applicable to everything.
+This is another offer which will be rejected.
+No.
+Tired of the suggestions.
+The end.
+Sorry, I see it the other way around.
+This is how rumours start, I guess.
+That is incorrect.
+That is the worst possible advice ever.
+I am really impressed by the analytical skills I observe here.
+Maybe the fortress fell over because you didn't have enough Lego.
+Why are you doing this?
+I still don't see the use case.
+You haven't justified it.
+No.
+I have changed my mind.
+Whoa.
+I don't see how that helps anything.
+What do you want us to do about it?
+I think you are done here.
+Whoah.
+because.
+No, it is not.
+Why?
+Please supply a good justification why that is good.
+End of story.
+Everyone tires of your well articulated agenda pushes.
+Incorrect.
+Not exactly.
+We already suffer from low quality in many bug reports.
+Our function in this ecosystem definately does not include dealing with other people's bullshit decisions...
+If you don't care, then don't talk about it.
+Your voice does not count.
+that is really not a useful bug report.
+Yeah, you sure are the cool dude.
+Things change.
+Whoa.
+No?
+Expectation management is a bitch.
+There has been a lot of discussion about this.
+Just stop it. We are not going to listen to you.
+That is not right.
+You are on your own.
+That is not true.
+That's nice.
+not everything is perfect.
+I don't like it.
+We prefer creating a world that is simpler.
+Are we finished here?
+that is intentional.
+Why not delete it?
+Pick a position -- then defend it.
+Switch to Linux, where violations are the norm.
+Pick a damn position, and declare it.
+If software sucks, say so.
+Who didn't solve that problem? People like you.
+Around here, you come off like a dick who didn't help everyone.
+unfeasible!
+There is no juxtaposition.
+AND WHERE IS THE PONY.
+It's ok, my cats cannot read and interpret such complexities either.
+You bought some plastic.
+You sir, are just wastewater.
+Your words are just bile.
+You are way out of line with the software development community.
+Your interpretations are hostile.
+I could be doing far better things than making CDs.
+No way.
+You are more likely to get sympathy from your mother.
+[rest deleted]
+if you can't use the tools to study what is happening, you don't stand a chance making things better
+No thanks, it does not make sense.
+No, you should not.
+We do not have magic to do this at the moment.
+Well, openbsd is not linux.
+This is likely to change, in some way.
+Thanks for the feedback :-)
+No, it is not.
+Why?
+Please supply a good justification why that is good.
+End of story.
+Everyone tires of your well articulated agenda pushes.
+Incorrect.
+Not exactly.
+We already suffer from low quality in many bug reports.
+Our function in this ecosystem definately does not include dealing with other people's bullshit decisions...
+If you don't care, then don't talk about it.
+Your voice does not count.
+that is really not a useful bug report.
+Yeah, you sure are the cool dude.
+Things change.
+Whoa.
+No?
+Expectation management is a bitch.
+There has been a lot of discussion about this.
+Just stop it. We are not going to listen to you.
+That is not right.
+You are on your own.
+That is not true.
+That's nice.
+not everything is perfect.
+I don't like it.
+We prefer creating a world that is simpler.
+Are we finished here?
+that is intentional.
+Why not delete it?
+Pick a position -- then defend it.
+Switch to Linux, where violations are the norm.
+Pick a damn position, and declare it.
+If software sucks, say so.
+Who didn't solve that problem? People like you.
+Around here, you come off like a dick who didn't help everyone.
+unfeasible!
+There is no juxtaposition.
+AND WHERE IS THE PONY.
+It's ok, my cats cannot read and interpret such complexities either.
+You bought some plastic.
+You sir, are just wastewater.
+Your words are just bile.
+You are way out of line with the software development community.
+Your interpretations are hostile.
+I could be doing far better things than making CDs.
+No way.
+You are more likely to get sympathy from your mother.
+[rest deleted]
+if you can't use the tools to study what is happening, you don't stand a chance making things better
+No thanks, it does not make sense.
+No, you should not.
+We do not have magic to do this at the moment.
+Well, openbsd is not linux.
+This is likely to change, in some way.
+Thanks for the feedback :-)
+you will only receive crocodile tears from me.
+Well perhaps you should just leave if you don't like the truth?
+It is all about your actions.
+Survival in the universe requires more than copy-and-paste.
+Summary: The OP has a learning disability.
+Frankly, who cares?
+Get off my computer kidz.
+That stands against my principles.
+Take a chill pill, or participate in improving it, or wait your turn.
+When things go wrong, we contain their influence.
+sorry to hear you don't understand
+this is not really a forum to attempt education
+Look -- did you read the manual page?
+It seems you did all that, but didn't read the manual pages.
+Not all errata are for security.
+Undeducated *check* opinioned *check*
+There is no way to forgive people who intentionally step in the shit.
+It sounds as if you don't understand what happens.
+So what is learned here?
+I don't have an answer.
+Let me get this straight.
+I see your character...
+You can do whatever you want.
+That is completely insane.
+That's the kind of comment that leads me to take bug reports less seriously in the future...
+Crazy.
+Please.
+I really doubt the drama of this.
+whatever
+Look.
+Well, is mentioning this even important?
+I'll ask the question: Why are you sure you need that?
+pretty sad, but I guess that's the way the world works
+There is a bug in your brain.
+You yammer yammer yammer without detail.
+Something is eating your brain.
+It depends on what you want.
+They are manual pages, not manual books.
+You are welcome to spend your time building an entire new subsystem and proving the value of your work.
+Go knock yourself out.
+Sorry you lost me.
+I can't tell if you are supporting a useless idea, or declaring that a useless idea is not worth supporting.
+So lets just yak about it, right?
+Yes, I said asshole.
+I'm astounded by this situation.
+It is hard to believe people will want that.
+Why the surprise?
+Basically, this cannot be oversimplified by 1 line questions followed by 1 line answers.
+I'm sorry, but I don't get it.
+Bootstrapping problem is bootstrapping problem.
+That is not possible.
+You really haven't got a clue.
+You can go read the source.
+That is incorrect.
+We don't manage dependencies.
+You haven't justified need.
+Careful what you ask for.
+Demands aren't well received.
+A detailed bug report helps. 1 line of whining doesn't.
+4. Roll up sleeves and fix the issue.
+If you don't understand how computers and networking work, I'm sure you can find another job.
+Not everyone is suited to every role.
+Another solution is to smash that device with a hammer.
+Did that help?
+Some of you will think this is a total joke.
+Overdocumenting isn't a strength.
+If you want it working, you will need to get it fixed.
+If you really wanted it fixed you have the src code.
+Please leave here.
+Just you, I think.
+That won't work.
+If I see a mail which isn't plain text, I delete it.
+someone in linux land went off the map here.
+only thinking of yourself, and missing the point.
+No, what you want does not exist.
+I said no the first time, and provided a detailed explaination.
+Why did you feel the need jump in? Ichy butt?
+Let's just stop this.
+You just aren't capable of listening to what is being said.
+I'd like my lawn mowed.
+I think the entire approach is dumb.
+There was once a better path.
+Animated sparkle.
+I'm not sure what else you expect.
+Punting stupid problems along forever just gets worse and worse.
+In a decade, what will this mess look like?
+When people push buttons, they will eventually hit something undocumented.
+I just came to the conclusion you are a loudmouthed jackass.
+So go away.
+That doesn't make sense.
+Well the options are: Get involved and do the work, or watch.
+There is no policy.
+Twice the work == twice the work.
+Unfortunately, you cannot really help.
+Learn the magic, change the magic.
+Oh, so you are just some boasty guy on the net
+You own all the pieces.
+You are wrong.
+No way.
+You are showing inexperience.
+No, not really.
+Basically you are saying we should just change everything, consequences and corectness be damned.
+Uhm, in your dreams.
+Not everything in unix is perfect.
+That sucks.
+That is working as intended.
+ktrace or it didn't happen.
+The solution is obvious.
+By the way who are you?
+You come off as pretty uncharitable.
+More complexity.
+I don't think you are listening.
+Shrug.
+I discussed world peace in a bar once.
+Lots of words. No action.
+Or you can go it all yourself. Why don't you do that?
+It is pretty obvious you are only thinking of yourself, so you should go create your own system.
+But we don't need to put up with your demands.
+Adjust your attitude user
+I believe this conversation is over, because you have no credibility.
+Oh are you just talking?
+Inventing crazy shit is pointless.
+Lots of misunderstandings in there.
+Mitigations should be as cheap as possible to satisfy the goal.
+Then it is probably over your head. Not much I can do about that.
+That interpretation is wrong.
+Don't change my words.
+It is over your head. Or learn to read. Or learn to not reply before you think.
+You have a self-entitlement issue.
+IF YOU ARE A GIGANTIC SLOPPY FAT PIG YOU SURE DO
+Please go fluff up your sense of selfworth elsewhere.
+There are no workarounds.
+You been running that on the internet?
+That'd be like leaving a running chainsaw on the floor at a daycare center.
+When something is dangerous, we get rid of it.
+Sometimes it is almost like there is a stream of people who want us to stop trying.
+Oh, cut your crap.
+So fix it, or pay someone to fix it.
+Oh the righteous indignation of public discussion!
+Have you ever heard of the concept of helping yourself?
+Don't believe all the promises you hear.
+Unfortunately noone cares.
+not that it matters.
+Sometimes there's a vast difference between a person who declares something useful and easy to do, and the reality. Sometimes the person is just plain wrong.
+I hope noone helps you.
+You are not helping out.
+You are doing the bare mininum and tapping on a keyboard.
+The socket layer will conspire against you.
+so much drama
+Your process will not solve anything.
+But this isn't a pony shop.
+Shut up
+It is documented.
+Sorry, your interpretation is incorrect.
+Do we want the 1% solution? No.
+I triage bugs by hitting 'd' in my mail reader.
+I disagree
+And please stop using that word.
+I doubt anyone believes your extremely vague assertions.
+Who cares?
+You are making stuff up.
+I don't think so.
+you've all been trollolololololololo'd
+Why?
+Are we done here?
+You can search for the rest of the information yourself.
+No.
+No.
+Not going to explain further.
+Get your shit together
+oh my, the moral outrage
+Let it go, and consider leaving for good.
+Do you have evidence?
+Diffs are welcome.
+Please don't do that.
+I don't understand what you are saying.
+I doubt it.
+Well, I disagree.
+I don't believe any of this.
+Not all tools are for everyone.
+So a javascript exploit in your browser can perform a rm -rf.
+Fine.
+If you dont like our software, please dont use it.
+In your opinion.
+If you don't like what it does, don't use it.
+The bullshit foaming out of your mouth is astounding.
+PLEASE STOP USING OPENBSD IMMEDIATELY
+Look, you are wrong.
+No. It ends here.
+For now, no.
+I'm think you don't get it.
+I hear "me me me".
+If you guys aren't part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate.
+Nothing is perfect.
+Some users really are their own worst enemy.
+Sorry no you are wrong.
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